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Postby Poster » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:10 am

U.S. Rabbis Blast Israel Over Immigration Policy For Converts
about Feb 24, 2011 ce

By Michele Chabin
Religion News Service

JERUSALEM -- Nearly 100 American Orthodox rabbis have signed a letter demanding that the conversions they perform outside Israel be recognized -- at least for immigration purposes -- by Israel's Interior Ministry.

The rabbis -- including members of the Rabbinical Council of America, the Orthodox Union, Yeshiva University and the International Rabbinic Fellowship -- were caught off guard by an article in the New York Jewish Week that said the ministry had empowered Israel's Chief Rabbinate to scrutinize the Jewishness of Orthodox converts.

Although the Rabbinate, which has sole authority over Jewish marriage in Israel, began to scrutinize Orthodox converts who wanted to marry under its auspices a few years ago, it had not previously had decision-making power on immigration issues.

In their letter delivered Tuesday (Feb. 22), the U.S. rabbis said they are "concerned" that some of the conversions performed under their auspices are being questioned.

"Recent reports that the Interior Ministry is consulting with the Israeli Chief Rabbinate are disturbing," the rabbis wrote. "We find this unacceptable, and turn to you in an effort to insure that those individuals whom we convert will automatically be eligible for (immigration to Israel) as they have been in the past."

In a statement, Natan Sharansky, chairman of the Jewish Agency, a quasi-governmental body that facilitates the immigration of Diaspora Jews, asked the Israeli government "to consult with us on deciding which communities are normative communities."

The Rabbinate automatically recognizes only those conversions performed by special conversion courts in a handful of large, established Jewish communities.

"One must differentiate between Halacha (Jewish law) and the Law of Return," Sharansky said, referring to the immigration law that permits overseas converts from various streams as well as anyone who can prove they had a Jewish grandparent to immigrate.

Rabbi Seth Farber, an American-born Orthodox rabbi in Israel who helped spearhead the rabbis' letter, said Interior Ministry officials "don't understand the landscape of North American Jewry. They believe that the Chief Rabbinate is the central authority of Orthodox
communities around the world, but this is inaccurate."

Farber, the director of ITIM, an organization that often advocates for converts, called it "ironic" that the most religious converts are coming under scrutiny while Reform and Conservative converts are not.

"We believe in the unity of the Jewish people and we're prepared to fight this in court," Farber said.

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Re: Free at last!

Postby Poster » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:26 am

There was the story of one goy prior to his conversion.

He wore tzitzis (fringes), kippah (skull cap), full regalia.

Someone asked him if he made sure to break shabbos (sabbath).

- Yes, I wear tzitzis, and since I am not m'chuyuv (obligated), then when I go out, I am carrying.

- But we have an eruv!

- I don't hold by the eruv.


Phrase for the day:
Hefker Velt = Free World, you can do whatever you want to do.
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Re: Free at last!

Postby Kira » Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:04 am

We have so much nonsense going on now, it's hard to even keep track of which group of rabbis made which irresponsible pronouncement.

However, I know Seth Farber IRL. He's fighting the good fight.

-Kira
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Postby aries » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:19 pm

The forum has in its mission statement that attacks on Halacha will not be tolerated. Now if we can get the Israeli Rabbinate to agree to this, it would be nice.

For those who missed it, the Edah Cheredi started having a campaign attacking the conversion process for Army conscripts. (We have already discussed the impropriety of attacking converts who underwent a two year course, which includes living with a religious family in the second year. In addition to insulting the converts, this is also insulting to the host families.) They stopped their campaign and Rav Vozner personally went to Rav Ovadiah to apologize. This occured because Moshe and Yehudit went for a walk so Aryeh could get into see the Rav for a little while. Aryeh then explained to the Askenazic Cheredi yeshivot which have many Sephardic students that they do not take kindly to anyone attacking the Pesak of Rav Ovadiah and they did not need another incident like Emanuel. (Where the Sephardic Jews sued to get into the Askenazic school and the Askenazic school parents went to jail rather than having the possiblity that one of their girls might have to see an Sephardic girl.)
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Postby Enora » Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:01 pm

The french sephardim are coming... (anyone have a look at recent french politics? Next elections? Get ready for mass french aliyah)
We've got french licensed dr's, scientists, lawyers all a whole bunch of highly educated sephardim that will be packing their bags real soon. Not the same moroccans that they rounded up in the atlas mountains on donkeys 40 yrs ago.
France's jewish community is the 3rd largest after the Usa and Israel.
We are the french sephardim. Lower your gefilte fish and surrender your matzah balls. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own (and we can eat bagels too). Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
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Re: Free at last!

Postby rivka » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:35 pm

:lol:
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Postby aries » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:08 am

well so far all we got from all those French Jews are a bunch of French bakeries which serve so so coffee and various croissonts. I mean they really don't make a good bagette. When are we going to get some decent french resturants. I must say that the level of sushi has risen greatly here in Rechovot and we just got a really good steak house and bagel and lox place. Cup of Joes and Aroma also put new things on the menu all the time. However the only French resturant has a small capacity and is only available by reservation. I mean Paris has some 50 excellent Kosher resturants. Couldn't one of them come here with all those Jews who are coming.
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Postby Enora » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:16 pm

I have only one thing to say to that:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xw3b3_ ... rfatim_fun
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Re: Free at last!

Postby Poster » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:44 pm

Kira wrote:We have so much nonsense going on now, it's hard to even keep track of which group of rabbis made which irresponsible pronouncement.

However, I know Seth Farber IRL. He's fighting the good fight.

-Kira



'IRL' ?
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Re: Free at last!

Postby Enora » Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:38 am

IRL= in real life
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