Meaning of the prefix "le" in Lev 11:14-16

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Meaning of the prefix "le" in Lev 11:14-16

Postby ittai » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:56 am

(Lev 11:14) and the kite, and the falcon, according to its kind;
(Lev 11:15) every raven according to its kind;
(Lev 11:16) and the ostrich, and the great owl, and the gull, and small hawks, according to its kind;

Here and in Gen 1:21 "le" is interpreted as "according to".
Is it possible to interpret it here as "with" as it is to be interpreted in Gan 23:16?
Why?
"Min" = "kind" and the word from the same root, "tmunah" = "image".
So "kind" may mean "kin" or "relationship".
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Re: Meaning of the prefix "le" in Lev 11:14-16

Postby Kira » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:59 pm

It's a preposition, and can't be translated perfectly.

In total, it means, "together with its kind", however you arrive at it

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Re: Meaning of the prefix "le" in Lev 11:14-16

Postby ittai » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:24 pm

Thank you, Kira!
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Re: Meaning of the prefix "le" in Lev 11:14-16

Postby mariaw » Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:50 pm

Dear ittai,
You are amazing! Your list of birds gave me the most awesome idea. Lets see if I can be brief!

1Sam.9.17--HASHEM whispers in Samuel's ear conerning Saul that "I said to you, 'This one will rule over My people."

A King rules over everything in his Father's House & if his rule includes Torah then he also rules over Jacob's goodly tents.
I know what Rashi says about goodly tents that they are arranged for privacy prayer etc.

However, a good tent shows the way things are ordered, named, sorted, filed, arranged, and listed & according to Rashi, Entered into. The bigger the assortment the loftier the assignment for the King,
Examples of kings with lists:
1. Gen. 2.19 Adam has the RULE OVER EVERYTHING IN THE FATHER'S HOUSE & names the animals.
2. Noah builds an ark,numbers the animals & saves his family.
3. HASHEM had blessed Abraham with everything, but his servant, the elder of his household controlled
all that was his, but doesn't inherit.
4. Moses uses a list to rebuke & teach Pharoah that G-d is in control of the Nile & as well as rest of creation.
5. The Torah includes lists of all kinds and variety. A dry bone scattered about is an outline of
something, but until you fit bone to bone, list to list, story to story, you don't have Torah's entire picture.

Ezekiel's dry bones finally add up to the WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. (Eze. 37.4-11)

And Saul couldn't find his father's mules.
It takes a prophet to tell him the mules had been found.

Gen. 36.24 Anah discovers the mules in the desert while he was pasturing the donkeys
for Zibeon, his father. Anah in Hebrew means "answer."
Zibeon in Hebrew is translated as divers colors. Jacob's coat of many colors?

Now we have connected the list..The Torah, Writings & Prophets are connected.
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Re: Meaning of the prefix "le" in Lev 11:14-16

Postby ittai » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:38 am

Now we have connected the list..The Torah, Writings & Prophets are connected.
mariaw

Miriam hajakarah
The name Miriam describes the level of your comments.

(Psa 119:160) The body of Your Word is true; every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.
(Psa 119:96) I have seen an end to all perfection; Your command is exceedingly broad.
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Re: Meaning of the prefix "le" in Lev 11:14-16

Postby mariaw » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:34 am

ittai,
Thanks so much for your comment. You just added meat to my outline.
I was trying to decide whether or not to use this particular list & then you mentioned
Miriam, Moses' sister.

The prophet, Samuel, serves Saul a piece of thigh!
1 Samuel 9.23 "Samuel says to the cook, "Bring the portion that I gave you about which I told
you, 'Keep it with yourself.' So the cook lifted up the thigh piece with what was attached to it,
and placed it before Saul. Samuel then said, 'This is the set aside portion. Put it before
yourself--eat, for it was reserved for you for the feast time when I told the cook about the
people I had invited." So Saul ate with Samuel on that day.

1 Samuel 15.1-3
Samuel not only eats with Israel's future king Saul, the prophet hands him a list.
On the surface it looks like a hit list, however, Bull's Eye is a better word
The list soon becomes an outline for an important part of Israel's history & their
escape from Egypt.

Samuel is (I think) teaching Saul the Torah or Israel's history.
I suppose this lesson is being taught while Saul is eating thigh portions.

A king is told to destroy all the infant boys.
The following is a list given to king Saul that actually counteracts the doubts & confusion
that Amalek has caused:

1. man & woman alike---Exodus 2 Amram & Jochebed, Moses' parents
2. infant & suckling alike----Exodus 2.9 Moses "who will nurse the boy?"
3. ox & sheep alike----Moses waters the sheep--Ex. 2.16
4. camel & donkey alike----Moses mounts his family on a donkey-Exodus 4.20

But what does King Saul do??? Isn't he suppose to be in charge
of his father's household? (1Sam.9.17)

King Saul starts by making his own assorted list.
1. summoning the people
2. counting them through lambs
3. Two hundered thousand infantrymen
4. Judah ten thousand
5. King Agag captured alive
6. Pity on the best that was good & destruction for the inferior & wretched livestock.

And then there is Samuel 15.10-19 "You have rushed after the spoils."

Sometimes we admire the big picture but forget the smaller & seemingly weaker details.
The "FULFILLED WORD" or filling in the blanks (1Sam. 15.11) is a really huge portion of Torah!
Yesterday, I read where HASHEM may have changed a person into somebody else, but can't remember the chapter & V.

ittai, thanks so much for your inspiration.
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Re: Meaning of the prefix "le" in Lev 11:14-16

Postby ittai » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:16 pm

Maria, with changing of somebody into another person do you mean this?

(1 Sam 10:6) And the Spirit of HaShem will be powerful on you, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be turned into another man.
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Re: Meaning of the prefix "le" in Lev 11:14-16

Postby mariaw » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:32 pm

ittai wrote:Maria, with changing of somebody into another person do you mean this?

(1 Sam 10:6) And the Spirit of HaShem will be powerful on you, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be turned into another man.


attai, Yes, 1 Sam 10.6 is the quote. King Saul also becomes a prophet. Is the King one man & the prophet another? I'm not sure
what this means or how it is connected with the rest. Does it mean that Israel's king can also have the spirit of a prophet?
I mentioned this because while we may be thinking king Saul is given the command to kill the suckling child, the reality of the prophecy
is that Pharaoh, king of Egypt gives the order for infanticide. Prophecy is teaching about the past as well, if I remember what is being
said about prophecy.

I don't know & this requires more thought!
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